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Post by Kevin Wright on Aug 1, 2017 9:33:53 GMT -5
Well, it looks like it's official. NazNet.com is no longer accepting new posts. Thanks for providing a place to note this development, Kevin. It looks like Jim got the last post in the never ending thread. At least I was second-to-last.
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Post by Susan Unger on Aug 1, 2017 11:45:46 GMT -5
Susan Unger directed me here, so if there's any problems it's her fault. Haaaaaa!
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Cam Pence
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Post by Cam Pence on Aug 1, 2017 13:18:30 GMT -5
This forum seems to be pretty simple to use and easy to maintain. I would love to hear some suggestions on how to make this useful for the NazNet Family. Some of my thoughts: - I would like to see very little moderation. We all should be able to be Christlike in our conversations, even when we disagree.
- I am looking for volunteers for admin roles. I don't want to be the only one.
- Would like to leave it as an open forum, with only members able to post.
- The ProBoards forum will include advertisements. If the forum takes off, we have the option to pay to remove them. We'll see how that goes.
- Let me know what forums you would like to see. (Politics anyone???)
I think moderation is the key to the success of any forum. The day we can abolish the police is the day I believe we can do without moderation. Of course, we need to be Christlike in our conversation. But the moment you tell me that if I'm gay I'll go to hell unless I repent, you may consider that warning Christlike. I can pretty much guarantee you the receiver of that warning will not. For me, the success of the forum then depends on what the moderators decide to do. Not trying to make things difficult but I am trying to be real. Been there, done that. I want to echo Hans here as I agree with him 100%. It's not about policing but understanding when comments become toxic. Things like assuming you speak for and know the mind of God, thats that and anyone who disagrees with you by extension disagrees with God, assigning nefarious intent and insulting those whom you disagree with, questioning the faith of those whom you disagree with and using information shared here specifically to assassinate the character of others (yes I know it's a public site, but there is a difference between having your words read honestly and having them used against you) are things that should not be tolerated here, IMO. And as of right now, no I do not want to be a moderator....although I would consider it should I be asked. I know, I know....if I won't then I probably shouldn't share my opinion, but there you have it
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Post by Kevin Wright on Aug 1, 2017 13:56:16 GMT -5
I think moderation is the key to the success of any forum. The day we can abolish the police is the day I believe we can do without moderation. Of course, we need to be Christlike in our conversation. But the moment you tell me that if I'm gay I'll go to hell unless I repent, you may consider that warning Christlike. I can pretty much guarantee you the receiver of that warning will not. For me, the success of the forum then depends on what the moderators decide to do. Not trying to make things difficult but I am trying to be real. Been there, done that. I want to echo Hans here as I agree with him 100%. It's not about policing but understanding when comments become toxic. Things like assuming you speak for and know the mind of God, thats that and anyone who disagrees with you by extension disagrees with God, assigning nefarious intent and insulting those whom you disagree with, questioning the faith of those whom you disagree with and using information shared here specifically to assassinate the character of others (yes I know it's a public site, but there is a difference between having your words read honestly and having them used against you) are things that should not be tolerated here, IMO. And as of right now, no I do not want to be a moderator....although I would consider it should I be asked. I know, I know....if I won't then I probably shouldn't share my opinion, but there you have it We'll be working on this, for now I hope everyone just plays nice. I may be reaching out to you.
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Post by Susan Unger on Aug 1, 2017 21:38:02 GMT -5
Susan Unger directed me here, so if there's any problems it's her fault. I love naznet.net. Easy to remember.
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Post by Susan Unger on Aug 1, 2017 21:39:51 GMT -5
Susan Unger directed me here, so if there's any problems it's her fault. Haaaaaa!
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Post by Susan Unger on Aug 1, 2017 21:40:40 GMT -5
Well, it looks like it's official. NazNet.com is no longer accepting new posts. Thanks for providing a place to note this development, Kevin. It looks like Jim got the last post in the never ending thread. At least I was second-to-last. I saw that. I console myself that I was doing God's work at that time which is more important than the thread. [Pastoral visit with a sick friend]
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A. Lucas Finch
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Post by A. Lucas Finch on Aug 2, 2017 7:36:13 GMT -5
Hey, y'all! I'm busy directing my district's teen camp this week, but I'm still around. I was happy to sneak in a couple "after hours" posts at the DOTCOM before Scott took our toys away from us. Thanks, Kevin, once again for providing us with new toys! I'm a techie myself and can likely help out. As indicated recently at the DOTCOM, though, I am now in a transitional phase as my position at my church has been eliminated. In the immediate timeframe, once camp is over, I will have a LOT of free time. I don't really feel like I can commit to much, though, until I have a plan on my next phase.
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Kyle Borger
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Post by Kyle Borger on Aug 2, 2017 18:59:18 GMT -5
Let's be praying for Luke in this time of transition for him. Anytime you switch ministry positions without one already lined up it is difficult. I know that Luke has made a ton of friends where he is as well, so there is bound to be some emotions built in there as well. I selfishly hope Luke's next position doesn't take him off our district.
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Mark Bolerjack
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Post by Mark Bolerjack on Aug 3, 2017 11:39:28 GMT -5
I miss the arcade!
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Greg
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Post by Greg on Aug 4, 2017 1:48:23 GMT -5
I am now in a transitional phase as my position at my church has been eliminated. In the immediate timeframe, once camp is over, I will have a LOT of free time. I don't really feel like I can commit to much, though, until I have a plan on my next phase. I am really sorry about that. Let me know what I can do to help and I will do it.
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A. Lucas Finch
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Post by A. Lucas Finch on Aug 6, 2017 8:21:23 GMT -5
I am now in a transitional phase as my position at my church has been eliminated. In the immediate timeframe, once camp is over, I will have a LOT of free time. I don't really feel like I can commit to much, though, until I have a plan on my next phase. I am really sorry about that. Let me know what I can do to help and I will do it.Tha Thanks! I have a bit of a cushion to figure things out, so we'll see what unfolds over the next few weeks.
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Cam Pence
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Post by Cam Pence on Aug 7, 2017 7:45:18 GMT -5
Hey, y'all! I'm busy directing my district's teen camp this week, but I'm still around. I was happy to sneak in a couple "after hours" posts at the DOTCOM before Scott took our toys away from us. Thanks, Kevin, once again for providing us with new toys! I'm a techie myself and can likely help out. As indicated recently at the DOTCOM, though, I am now in a transitional phase as my position at my church has been eliminated. In the immediate timeframe, once camp is over, I will have a LOT of free time. I don't really feel like I can commit to much, though, until I have a plan on my next phase.I I just watched your FB live video about this. I'm really sorry to hear, dude. I know that is super rough. I'll be praying for you as you pray and figure out your next steps.
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A. Lucas Finch
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Post by A. Lucas Finch on Aug 7, 2017 8:40:28 GMT -5
Thanks! It has been my plan since two Mondays ago when my senior pastor told me I would not be able to stay on after all. If anything good has come from this at this point, it has been that I have finally felt like I can be candid with him and others about the whole thing. Previously, I was only sharing with a select few. My words in my video statement were crafted and chosen very carefully, though, so as to show continued support for my church's leadership while at the same time being honest and open about what I am experiencing and not letting an inaccurate narrative guide perceptions of the situation. I have been very nervous about posting it, not wanting to put anyone in a negative light, but after much prayer and contemplation, I thought it was the best way I could proceed. Thus far, I have received no negative pushback. Only positive support, including from several board members who would have been involved in the decision. (I haven't heard from my senior pastor yet, but I didn't say anything in the video that I haven't already expressed to him.) One person, who commended me via private message, told of when he was released eight years ago. He internalized it, and in so doing it led to years of negativity for him. He suggested to me that the approach I have chosen is the better approach. If this embeds or links correctly, here is the video in question: www.facebook.com/alfinch/videos/10154964970738230/www.facebook.com/alfinch/videos/10154964970738230/
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Post by Gina Stevenson on Aug 7, 2017 22:15:49 GMT -5
Hope that link works, Lucas. I was trying to watch it when first up this morning when I found it on Facebook. But when there was about 4 minutes left, it suddenly quit. Ate, & then when I went to find it again, I couldn't find it anywhere. I even went to your page, and was like, "Where'd that thing go!?" & wondered if you'd second-guessed yourself & taken it down. Sounds like you didn't, unless you had it off for,awhile to edit(??).
ETA: OK, what's going on? It worked this morning, but am getting that "Invalid Source" thing tonight, so can't hear the last several minutes (like what happens most videos at FB these days). Is it posted elsewhere at all??
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A. Lucas Finch
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Post by A. Lucas Finch on Aug 7, 2017 22:21:29 GMT -5
Hope that link works, Lucas. I was trying to watch it when first up this morning when I found it on Facebook. But when there was about 4 minutes left, it suddenly quit. Ate, & then when I went to find it again, I couldn't find it anywhere. I even went to your page, and was like, "Where'd that thing go!?" & wondered if you'd second-guessed yourself & taken it down. Sounds like you didn't, unless you had it off for,awhile to edit(??). ETA: OK, what's going on? It worked this morning, but am getting that "Invalid Source" thing tonight, so can't hear the last several minutes (like what happens most videos at FB these days). Is it posted elsewhere at all?? Haha, nope. It's still up, and I still haven't received any negative pushback. And it is showing over 1000 views, though I'm not sure how facebook counts views.
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Marg Shurtliff
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Post by Marg Shurtliff on Aug 7, 2017 22:50:52 GMT -5
I started to watch it this morning before going to bed but when I saw it was 23 minutes long I stopped and decided to watch it tonight . It cut off after the first section . I think I got about 6 minutes ,maybe more as I didn't look when it stopped to see the progress . Clicking on it to start again it kept going back to the start , So I'll have to be content with what I did get to see . Got to you travelling to Victor . Praying for your future , Lucas .
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A. Lucas Finch
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Post by A. Lucas Finch on Aug 7, 2017 23:41:17 GMT -5
I started to watch it this morning before going to bed but when I saw it was 23 minutes long I stopped and decided to watch it tonight . It cut off after the first section . I think I got about 6 minutes ,maybe more as I didn't look when it stopped to see the progress . Clicking on it to start again it kept going back to the start , So I'll have to be content with what I did get to see . Got to you travelling to Victor . Praying for your future , Lucas . Thanks! I appreciate it. I may post the manuscript to my blog. It basically just tells the story of my calling to the Bitterroot, my hope to be here indefinitely, the leadership beginning to plan a new direction, me being asked to leave, my disappointment, me being asked to stay, me being asked to leave again, my even deeper disappointment, but my continued support for the Bitterroot Valley Church and my call for people to continue to support the church and plug in at an even deeper level. It is probably unusual for someone released from service to post such a video, but 1. I was not given any strings on my severance preventing me from making a statement, 2. My initial leaving was announced outside of the framework of what was originally agreed to (it was supposed to be announced by me following my senior pastor's sabbatical, but it ended up leaking right before his sabbatical when I was at NNU participating in my Commencement), and 3. I didn't see any other way that I could both communicate my continued support for the church while also giving my honest assessment of the situation. I am very much at peace with the statement. I am just hoping that it doesn't hurt anyone else. I tried very hard to choose my words to both be affirming of the church leadership while also being honest about what transpired.
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Brian
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Post by Brian on Aug 8, 2017 22:55:04 GMT -5
I wasnt a regular user of the soon to be removed forum. I will likely lurk here and in the group. I am most surprised the old domain owner didnt just transfer it to a new manager.
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Post by Emiko Cothran on Aug 8, 2017 23:01:30 GMT -5
That is what most people wanted.... I think.
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A. Lucas Finch
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Post by A. Lucas Finch on Aug 8, 2017 23:09:29 GMT -5
That is what most people wanted.... I think. That would have made the most sense.
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Post by Gina Stevenson on Aug 9, 2017 4:44:21 GMT -5
That is what most people wanted.... I think. That would have made the most sense. Have to say "Amen!" to this. Still not sure why this very topic that was discussed a YEAR AGO or so wasn't revisited, giving this option, rather than a forced-to-facebook/HISTORY-deleted being the only option on the table. An honest attempt at more "unity," I guess, tho' FB's hodge-podge is different enough from vBulletin, seems more like forced "uniformity" than "unity," maybe?? Don't get me wrong, I did THANK him for "spoiling us" for years with the nicer-than-Facebook format. But when that passing it on was brought up by him last year, not just some user, that intimated/left users w/the impression that such a chance to do so would definitely be given. Nope . . . . still rather sad . . . . π ETA: Still wonder what the thinking was, seriously, behind the change that took place in the "options" arena . . . thinking a forced move would keep more people "together(?)" than letting NazNet not have sufficient $$$ support eventually? If that, might be a bit used to sometimes negatively underestimating(?) enough NN-ers' zeal/ability to keep it open?? Just wondering aloud, recalling DM's long ago admitting how someone's pointing out a tendency towards negativity had changed him, while also knowing how we can still tend ~~ as humans ~~ towards old habits on occasion?? (just like my used-to-be-so-habitual-I-could-drive-myself-crazy-with-it over-analyzation, like I may be doing here even, tho' it's not at all such a habitual thing anymore until something really sad like this comes along.) So, again, THANK YOU, DAVE, but will you reconsider?? Have even volunteered to be one contributing some, tho' of lesser means, I'm sure, than many here. ππ°π
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Post by Gina Stevenson on Aug 9, 2017 10:18:39 GMT -5
Hope that link works, Lucas. I was trying to watch it when first up this morning when I found it on Facebook. But when there was about 4 minutes left, it suddenly quit. Ate, & then when I went to find it again, I couldn't find it anywhere. I even went to your page, and was like, "Where'd that thing go!?" & wondered if you'd second-guessed yourself & taken it down. Sounds like you didn't, unless you had it off for,awhile to edit(??). ETA: OK, what's going on? It worked this morning, but am getting that "Invalid Source" thing tonight, so can't hear the last several minutes (like what happens most videos at FB these days). Is it posted elsewhere at all?? Haha, nope. Β It's still up, and I still haven't received any negative pushback. Β And it is showing over 1000 views, though I'm not sure how facebook counts views. Well, it eventually opened OK again & let me see the last several minutes. Concluded well, Lucas. Marg, have you been able to get it to work OK for you yet? Just tho't I'd mention it b/c it does seem the problems were just sporadic & so it might finally work for you. ETA: Trying different browsers (which I ONLY late last night found I could do on this Windows phone), b/c the supposed-to-be-THE-Windows-browser EDGE was horribly jumping all over the screen while trying to do things, driving me "batso"! So I got to "like" a couple things today (are they visible in the "normal" browsers most use here?). Anyway, will see which browser(s) work best for most places I go. What's weird is how the one recommended all over as the best replacement (1) doesn't handle redirects. Put in NazNet.com & doesn't find it put in the actual NazNet.boards.net & after you've read something & try to go back to home to them go to another forum, it also doesn't find it. Very odd. And it also (2) doesn't let you "react" over at FB, but only "like." Nor does it let you tag anyone. Hope this one that seems OK so far isn't an info collector, spyware thing, or whatever.
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Post by Emiko Cothran on Aug 9, 2017 11:44:01 GMT -5
That would have made the most sense. Have to say "Amen!" to this. Still not sure why this very topic that was discussed a YEAR AGO or so wasn't revisited, giving this option, rather than a forced-to-facebook/HISTORY-deleted being the only option on the table. An honest attempt at more "unity," I guess, tho' FB's hodge-podge is different enough from vBulletin, seems more like forced "uniformity" than "unity," maybe?? Don't get me wrong, I did THANK him for "spoiling us" for years with the nicer-than-Facebook format. But when that passing it on was brought up by him last year, not just some user, that intimated/left users w/the impression that such a chance to do so would definitely be given. Nope . . . . still rather sad . . . . π ETA: Still wonder what the thinking was, seriously, behind the change that took place in the "options" arena . . . thinking a forced move would keep more people "together(?)" than letting NazNet not have sufficient $$$ support eventually? If that, might be a bit used to sometimes negatively underestimating(?) enough NN-ers' zeal/ability to keep it open?? Just wondering aloud, recalling DM's long ago admitting how someone's pointing out a tendency towards negativity had changed him, while also knowing how we can still tend ~~ as humans ~~ towards old habits on occasion?? (just like my used-to-be-so-habitual-I-could-drive-myself-crazy-with-it over-analyzation, like I may be doing here even, tho' it's not at all such a habitual thing anymore until something really sad like this comes along.) So, again, THANK YOU, DAVE, but will you reconsider?? Have even volunteered to be one contributing some, tho' of lesser means, I'm sure, than many here. ππ°π I remember him saying what would happen to naznet when he passed. There was talk of someone new taking over, and of setting up a fund. Not sure how much a forum board costs but I can't imagine it is super expensive....
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Post by Emiko Cothran on Aug 9, 2017 12:00:55 GMT -5
Maybe he should have laid it out: It costs 35 dollars a month for the site and Domaine name Someone needs a computer to house the main blah and blah (don't know how it works) We need at least 2 admins and 5 moderators And at least one admin needs to know blah blah code and blah technical complex thing.
Then we could see what we could do... Or find out we couldn't But at least it would be on the table and out in the open
Tho I get the feeling it was idealogical... Like, he wanted to "force" everyone to Facebook to combine the two groups into one?
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Post by Gina Stevenson on Aug 9, 2017 16:20:07 GMT -5
Right, Emiko. Like I said . . . re forced "unity"?
ETA: Been tweaking this, Kevin? Didn't go into that other browser, but this thing let me "like" Emiko's post. Hmmm . . . π
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Post by Kevin Wright on Aug 9, 2017 16:31:46 GMT -5
Been tweaking this, Kevin? No, I haven't made any changes since last week.
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Post by Kevin Wright on Aug 9, 2017 16:43:40 GMT -5
Advertisements are beginning to appear on the forum. This is part of the free hosting service provided by ProBoards. I don't believe they will be too intrusive. However, we'll see how it goes.
If anyone feels so inclined to gift to NazNet.net in order to remove advertisements, there is a "Click here to remove banner ads from this forum." link at the bottom of the page to provide that opportunity.
Remember, this is your NazNet forum, so let me know if you have any suggestions on improvements, or ideas on how to engage more Nazarenes.
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Post by Gina Stevenson on Aug 9, 2017 17:12:10 GMT -5
Been tweaking this, Kevin? No, I haven't made any changes since last week. Well, then, that's stranger yet! ~ ~
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Post by Gina Stevenson on Aug 9, 2017 17:29:13 GMT -5
I wasnt a regular user of the soon to be removed forum. I will likely lurk here and in the group. I am most surprised the old domain owner didnt just transfer it to a new manager. OK, been over on the old Dot.com. Either Hammons or Postlewaite, right? So which is it? πππ
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