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Post by Emiko Cothran on Aug 12, 2017 19:46:03 GMT -5
Hmm... Not very busy around here...
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A. Lucas Finch
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Post by A. Lucas Finch on Aug 13, 2017 21:15:59 GMT -5
Hmm... Not very busy around here... Yeah, that was one of my concerns with the transition. It isn't so hard for people to keep on participating in something that they've been participating in. However, once a change has taken place, expecting people to make the transition is likely expecting too much. And despite Scott's rhetoric, I don't think that the Facebook groups are all that the DOTCOM was previously. The glory days of NazNet are sadly a thing of the past.
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Post by Gina Stevenson on Aug 14, 2017 3:32:11 GMT -5
<< sad face >>
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Cam Pence
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Post by Cam Pence on Aug 14, 2017 7:40:19 GMT -5
Hmm... Not very busy around here... Yeah, that was one of my concerns with the transition. It isn't so hard for people to keep on participating in something that they've been participating in. However, once a change has taken place, expecting people to make the transition is likely expecting too much. And despite Scott's rhetoric, I don't think that the Facebook groups are all that the DOTCOM was previously. The glory days of NazNet are sadly a thing of the past. The main problem I have seen with NN on FB has been the influx of 3 or 4 posters (and growing) whose apparent sole purpose is to lament that our denomination is no longer the Pentecostal Church of the Nazarene or that we are so Catholic (the RCC is a cult after all) now or that we don't know what true revival is or that it's not 1967 before Mildred Wynkoop wrote her meddling book (ok this one was me but you get my point). I was scared of this and hoped that the admins would quickly flag such rhetoric as not very Nazarene friendly but alas no such luck. The Concerned Nazarenes lite (as I have dubbed them) seem to be there to stay For what it's worth, I think I'd take a quiet Naznet.net over that
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Marsha Lynn
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Post by Marsha Lynn on Aug 15, 2017 7:39:34 GMT -5
It has happened. NazNet.com no longer shows all the words we crafted together since the great crash of 2010. I saved several threads, but feel the loss of those I let slip into the void.
And, no, the Facebook group is not just a move into a new space. It is fundamentally different in tone. NazToo comes closer. It's too active for me to follow, though.
I would love to see this place gather an active community that falls somewhere between the old-school tone of NazNet on FB and the snarkiness of NazToo. Unfortunately, I have neither the time nor skills to be instrumental in forming such a community, but I will keep checking back here.
Marsha
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Greg Farra
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Post by Greg Farra on Aug 15, 2017 16:14:13 GMT -5
It has happened. NazNet.com no longer shows all the words we crafted together since the great crash of 2010. I saved several threads, but feel the loss of those I let slip into the void. And, no, the Facebook group is not just a move into a new space. It is fundamentally different in tone. NazToo comes closer. It's too active for me to follow, though. I would love to see this place gather an active community that falls somewhere between the old-school tone of NazNet on FB and the snarkiness of NazToo. Unfortunately, I have neither the time nor skills to be instrumental in forming such a community, but I will keep checking back here. Marsha I certainly hope it doesn't become like NazToo. I was in the group for a nanosecond. I did not care for it one bit.
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A. Lucas Finch
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Post by A. Lucas Finch on Aug 15, 2017 21:00:16 GMT -5
It has happened. NazNet.com no longer shows all the words we crafted together since the great crash of 2010. I saved several threads, but feel the loss of those I let slip into the void. And, no, the Facebook group is not just a move into a new space. It is fundamentally different in tone. NazToo comes closer. It's too active for me to follow, though. I would love to see this place gather an active community that falls somewhere between the old-school tone of NazNet on FB and the snarkiness of NazToo. Unfortunately, I have neither the time nor skills to be instrumental in forming such a community, but I will keep checking back here. Marsha I certainly hope it doesn't become like NazToo. I was in the group for a nanosecond. I did not care for it one bit. You would think by the way Manny has a whole blog post targeting you, you would be just the sort of person who would find NazToo to be home. When you left the group, did you at least leave a great exit post? Those are always the best.
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A. Lucas Finch
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Post by A. Lucas Finch on Aug 15, 2017 21:05:12 GMT -5
Any bets as to whether or not this post will be allowed to stay up? Attachments:
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Greg Farra
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Post by Greg Farra on Aug 15, 2017 21:29:25 GMT -5
I certainly hope it doesn't become like NazToo. I was in the group for a nanosecond. I did not care for it one bit. You would think by the way Manny has a whole blog post targeting you, you would be just the sort of person who would find NazToo to be home. When you left the group, did you at least leave a great exit post? Those are always the best. I was only in it for a short while, but from what I remember, there was a lot of rancor against people who held to the Naz position on homosexuality (not the inflammatory language that has been removed, but our position that homosexual acts are sinful). I think Brian Powell (with whom I have publicly opposed on neo-pentecostalism) was uncharitably a frequent target, and the overall tone was less than friendly, at least from my position. I just left.
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Post by Kevin Wright on Aug 15, 2017 22:00:24 GMT -5
Any bets as to whether or not this post will be allowed to stay up? Your post is still there. Now if you go to Naznet.com it takes you to a WordPress page. That must be where they decided to park the old dotcom domain.
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Brian
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Post by Brian on Aug 15, 2017 22:57:38 GMT -5
i just saw that the naznet.com => Facebook transition was a result of a denominational decision; that is at least what one person is claiming. Wonder if pressure will be applied here?
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A. Lucas Finch
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Post by A. Lucas Finch on Aug 15, 2017 23:56:08 GMT -5
Any bets as to whether or not this post will be allowed to stay up? Your post is still there. Now if you go to Naznet.com it takes you to a WordPress page. That must be where they decided to park the old dotcom domain. If I had known that they were gonna take the DOTCOM away, I wouldn't have participated in their group picture. (Yes, I know that I have a bad attitude.)
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Post by Gina Stevenson on Aug 16, 2017 4:48:49 GMT -5
Well, it says "view,entire" site, but clicking on that doesn't actually let you "view" a thing, but that same first page 😥
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Brandon Brown
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Post by Brandon Brown on Aug 16, 2017 8:36:27 GMT -5
Your post is still there. Now if you go to Naznet.com it takes you to a WordPress page. That must be where they decided to park the old dotcom domain. If I had known that they were gonna take the DOTCOM away, I wouldn't have participated in their group picture. (Yes, I know that I have a bad attitude.)
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Cam Pence
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Post by Cam Pence on Aug 16, 2017 9:21:50 GMT -5
I certainly hope it doesn't become like NazToo. I was in the group for a nanosecond. I did not care for it one bit. You would think by the way Manny has a whole blog post targeting you, you would be just the sort of person who would find NazToo to be home. When you left the group, did you at least leave a great exit post? Those are always the best. Hey! Don't forget it also targeted me, David Troxler, and Gary Creely! Sorry.....I'm just really proud of that. When Manny calls you out, it can only mean you are doing or have said something that is correct and probably right in line with the CotN
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Post by Kevin Wright on Aug 16, 2017 10:43:32 GMT -5
i just saw that the naznet.com => Facebook transition was a result of a denominational decision; that is at least what one person is claiming. Wonder if pressure will be applied here? I'm not sure where that information would have come from. Both the old DotCom and the new DotNet have no affiliation with the denomination. Unless, of course, they just caved to pressure to shutdown the DotCom. That won't happen here.
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Jim Bentley
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Post by Jim Bentley on Aug 16, 2017 10:57:02 GMT -5
i just saw that the naznet.com => Facebook transition was a result of a denominational decision; that is at least what one person is claiming. Wonder if pressure will be applied here? Hey Brian! Interesting info...What is your source (not that you have to name a person. I'm just wondering where you heard that.)
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Post by Emiko Cothran on Aug 16, 2017 11:13:56 GMT -5
I don't like that they delete references to the old naznet site. Or invitations here Or invitations to participate in thread-pocolyps I see no reason for it. Why fear competition? It isn't like you said anything mean or unchristlike. i just saw that the naznet.com => Facebook transition was a result of a denominational decision; that is at least what one person is claiming. Wonder if pressure will be applied here? REALLY?? Why? What did they say? Was there some sort of order not to have forum sites? It can't be not to have more then one Nazarene site as Facebook has at least 5 that I know of. i just saw that the naznet.com => Facebook transition was a result of a denominational decision; that is at least what one person is claiming. Wonder if pressure will be applied here? I'm not sure where that information would have come from. Both the old DotCom and the new DotNet have no affiliation with the denomination. Unless, of course, they just caved to pressure to shutdown the DotCom. That won't happen here. Why tho?? Why would they do that?
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Post by Emiko Cothran on Aug 16, 2017 11:20:05 GMT -5
I was only in it for a short while, but from what I remember, there was a lot of rancor against people who held to the Naz position on homosexuality (not the inflammatory language that has been removed, but our position that homosexual acts are sinful). I think Brian Powell (with whom I have publicly opposed on neo-pentecostalism) was uncharitably a frequent target, and the overall tone was less than friendly, at least from my position. I just left. I have only been on both a short while (since the eminant demise of Dotcom) but from what I have seen Naztoo doesn't seem any more "harshly" or "intensely" or "vacally" or "angrily" pro gay then naznet is anti gay (With notable detractors on both sides)
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Brian
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Post by Brian on Aug 16, 2017 11:53:11 GMT -5
i just saw that the naznet.com => Facebook transition was a result of a denominational decision; that is at least what one person is claiming. Wonder if pressure will be applied here? Hey Brian! Interesting info...What is your source (not that you have to name a person. I'm just wondering where you heard that.) It was in one of the facebook naznet groups; look in the naznet general discussion facebook group for a reply to a post yesterday where the opening sentence is The end of an era.
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Post by Kevin Wright on Aug 16, 2017 14:58:17 GMT -5
Hey Brian! Interesting info...What is your source (not that you have to name a person. I'm just wondering where you heard that.) It was in one of the facebook naznet groups; look in the naznet general discussion facebook group for a reply to a post yesterday where the opening sentence is The end of an era. The post you are referring to is: It's been in process since right after General Assembly. The powers that be decided that it would be best to transition NazNet to Facebook. #DOTCOMforever #NotMyNazNet The "powers that be" Lucas was referring to was the Naznet.com owners/administrators, not denominational powers.
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Post by Emiko Cothran on Aug 16, 2017 22:31:10 GMT -5
Ahh, see? This is how rumors start
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Kyle Borger
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Post by Kyle Borger on Aug 16, 2017 23:43:58 GMT -5
I tried Naztoo for a second time. I left again and will not return. They seem to desire to be vile just for the sake of being vile. I have no desire for that exposure. I chose to do so in my local community. I don't feel called to make the same choice online. Yes, the FB pages are less satisfying.
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Post by Gina Stevenson on Aug 16, 2017 23:46:15 GMT -5
Could be, since some denom "dirty laundry" had been displayed on the old dot.com, that some higher ups (whom the owner seems to know well from talk of being a part of various committees, etc, over the years) "leaned on" him at GA to do away w/"that sort of stuff" Don't want to be negative, or start any rumours . . . . so will speculate no further.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 23:49:00 GMT -5
I tried Naztoo for a second time. I left again and will not return. They seem to desire to be vile just for the sake of being vile. I have no desire for that exposure. I chose to do so in my local community. I don't feel called to make the same choice online. Yes, the FB pages are less satisfying. Well, that has not been my experience. But anyone's mileage may vary. Blessings, Hans
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Post by Emiko Cothran on Aug 17, 2017 0:15:39 GMT -5
They do seem to swear just for the sake of it. But I grew up athiest so I'm used to that sorta thing. I think they are like children who are suddenly "allowed" to swear so they go overboard. But in general the CONTENT of the discussions are very good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 1:29:55 GMT -5
They do seem to swear just for the sake of it. But I grew up athiest so I'm used to that sorta thing. I think they are like children who are suddenly "allowed" to swear so they go overboard. But in general the CONTENT of the discussions are very good. Reminds me of Tony Campolo: “I have three things I'd like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don't give a ****. What's worse is that you're more upset with the fact that I said **** than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night.” I don't want to be the one who cares more about "****" than things that really matter. So while I don't want to curse myself, I see at quite insignificant. I rather have curse words than a cursed philosophy of life.
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Post by Kevin Wright on Aug 17, 2017 7:37:12 GMT -5
They do seem to swear just for the sake of it. But I grew up athiest so I'm used to that sorta thing. I think they are like children who are suddenly "allowed" to swear so they go overboard. But in general the CONTENT of the discussions are very good. Reminds me of Tony Campolo: “I have three things I'd like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don't give a ****. What's worse is that you're more upset with the fact that I said **** than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night.” I don't want to be the one who cares more about "****" than things that really matter. So while I don't want to curse myself, I see at quite insignificant. I rather have curse words than a cursed philosophy of life. I get the point he was trying to make but I think it was totally unnecessary. I really would rather not put vulgar words in my head even if it's reading someone else's post. And, I do care abot starving children.
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Cam Pence
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Post by Cam Pence on Aug 17, 2017 8:03:19 GMT -5
Reminds me of Tony Campolo: “I have three things I'd like to say today. First, while you were sleeping last night, 30,000 kids died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition. Second, most of you don't give a ****. What's worse is that you're more upset with the fact that I said **** than the fact that 30,000 kids died last night.” I don't want to be the one who cares more about "****" than things that really matter. So while I don't want to curse myself, I see at quite insignificant. I rather have curse words than a cursed philosophy of life. I get the point he was trying to make but I think it was totally unnecessary. I really would rather not put vulgar words in my head even if it's reading someone else's post. And, I do care abot starving children. I actually think it was a pretty apt point about picking our moral priorities wisely and pointing our righteous indignation of things less petty than simply things that society has deemed uncouth. Not, of course, that I don't believe a discussion on language and the words we use (more than simply swearing) can be helpful.
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A. Lucas Finch
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Post by A. Lucas Finch on Aug 17, 2017 10:35:27 GMT -5
I get the point he was trying to make but I think it was totally unnecessary. I really would rather not put vulgar words in my head even if it's reading someone else's post. And, I do care abot starving children. I actually think it was a pretty apt point about picking our moral priorities wisely and pointing our righteous indignation of things less petty than simply things that society has deemed uncouth. Not, of course, that I don't believe a discussion on language and the words we use (more than simply swearing) can be helpful. Yeah, I have found that the appropriate use of our words is a much deeper conversation than just considering what specific words a particular culture finds to be vulgar. I believe that the emphasis of Scripture is more on how we treat others with our words than what specific words we use. (Of course, properly respecting and uplifting others can and should include avoiding words that they find offensive.)
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